Wednesday, January 25, 2012

The Wanderings of Odysseus Blog 1

Respond thoroughly to the following question using evidence from the novel.  Make sure to individually answer the question and thoughtfully consider at least one other person's answer and respond.

Question:  Considering both favorable and unfavorable events so far in the novel, from Odysseus's departure from Troy to his men's experience with the Hyperion's cattle, is the outcome of these various events a result of "luck" or man's own doing?

98 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think that the things that have happened so far is luck and mans own doing. when odysseus washes up on the island and the only one to survive the storm i think that is luck and when he sees hermes who tells him what to do to get his men back that is luck also. When he tricks the cyclops into telling his friends nobody is hurting him and then he gets away he was being smart and luck had nothing to do with it. so odysseus has had good luck but he has also done some smart things.

Mea Fisher

Anonymous said...

I think what has happened up to this piont is a little bit of both. I think it is luck when Odysseus meet Hermes and when they land on Circe's island. I think it is the man's own doing when Odysseus tricks the cyclops and when his men kill the sheep after being warned not to. I think it is both a little bit of luck and a little bit of the men's own doing of what has happened to Odysseus so far.

Sydney S.

Anonymous said...

Mea,
I comepletely agree with your response. I did not think of when Odysseus is the only one to survive the storm because it was he and his men who caused it.
Sydney S.

Lindy Pittman said...

I believe that so far it has been mostly luck with a little bit of man's doing. For example it was bad luck, when Odysseus' ship crashes and his crew almost starves. It was also bad luck when his ship was blown of course just as they were entering the harbor. However it was man's doing when Odysseus saves his crew from the Cyclops by tricking him. Also it was man's doing when Odysseus scares Circe into accepting them. So, overall it was luck and man's doing that created the events of Th Wanderings of Odysseus.

Maura G. said...

I think that so far in this book, the events have occured mostly because of luck, but a little bit because of mans own doing. I think it is luck because when he washes up on the island and is the only one to survive, he has no control over that. It is luck also because he washes up on Circe's island, but meets Hermes, who tells him how to defeat her. It is man's own doing when Odysseus tricks the cyclops into telling his friends that "Nobody" is stealing from him and hurting him, because he is using his own cleverness.

Maura

Maura G. said...

nonanLindy,
I agree completely with you. I think that it is luck when he crashes and almost starves because he had no control whatsoever on whether or not he would crash. It is man's own doing when he tricks the cyclops, because he is using his own cleverness of his own accord and nobody else is telling him to. I don't agree with you when you said that it was his own doing when he defeated Circe, because he met Hermes by luck, and Hermes told him how to defeat her.

Maura

Anonymous said...

Odysseus' travels so far have contained both luck and man's own doing. Getting out of the situation with the cyclops was man's own doing because it was his own cleverness. It is man's own doing when he becomes friends with Circe, and also when he listens to all of her different advice. However, it's lucky that Hermes decided to help him become her friend in the first place. It was also lucky that in all the perils he and his crew faced, he was never one of the ones that died. Odysseus and his crew have luck (good and bad) and also have things happen from their own control.
-Margaret L.

Anonymous said...

Dear Margaret,
I agree with what you said. I liked your comment a lot, especially when you said that him and his crew have both good and bad luck because it is very true. Some of the obstacles that they are forced face are because of it. Some bad luck that they have that gets them into trouble is having Poseidon against them for defeating Troy. So I think that your comment brought up some really important points.
<3, Nikki

Anonymous said...

I think that the outcomes of the events have varied, some were luck and some were mans own doing. For example he has help from the gods, like in the chapter “The Enchantress,” he has luck when Hermes helps him. Also when on the land of the dead, Odysseus has luck because without help from the Enchantress he would not know how to sacrifice and wouldn’t have gotten advice on how to pass the sea perils. On the other had, some things happened because of man’s own doing. One of these is when meeting the Cyclops, no one helped Odysseus think of the plan or act on it. He thought of it himself. So, I think that although God’s help Odysseus overcome some obstacles he alone also overcomes others.
Nikki

Anonymous said...

I think that these things have happened because of both luck and mans own doing. It is luck when Odysseus meets Hermes, lands on the island of Circe, and when he is the only one not killed in that terible storm. Its is mans own doing when he trick s the Cyclops, and when het tells his men not to touch the cattle but they do anyway. Oddyseus is both influenced by luck and mans own doing which has gotten him to where he is.
- Gillian Cook

Anonymous said...

Dear Mea,
I completely agree with you on your whole comment. It was both mans own doing and luck that got him to where he is. When Odysseus met Hermes on the island of Circe, it was pure luck. But when he told the cyclops that his name was 'Nobody' he was being smart and that was mans own doing.
- Gillian Cook

Esther DelliQuadri said...

I think that it is both because when the man gives him wine it is luck but when he figures out the plans to defeaqt the cyclops it is totally man power.Also all the places he and his men land on are luck but what he does is man power.

Patrick Dillon said...

The events that have occoured in the book so far are based on man's choices. The monsters in the sea that they avoided, they avoided them because Circe told them to. They didn't have to listen to Circe but they chose to. When they were at the island of the cattle of the sun, even though they shouldn't have killed one they did. And because they did that, the gods put a raincloud over the boat until the sails were ripped and the mast was broken. Those events weren't luck, they were choice.

Patrick Dillon said...

Sydney,
I agree with you about the luck that Odysseus didn't get turned into an animal like some of his crew when they landed on Circe's island. And when they blinded the cyclops it was man's own doing they had to to escape. But it was wrong of the men to kill the cattle of the sun.

Anonymous said...

I think that the things that have happened are own mans doing. When he gets through the sirens and the monsters, he isn't lucky, he is smart. All the good things happened because he is smart and all the bad things happen because he did something to upset the gods. Odysseus is smart but not afraid to rebel against the gods.He deserved all the things that happened to him, good and bad.
Will F.

Anonymous said...

Patrick,
I agree with you that it was mans choices. I even brought up the sirens and monsters.But I don't think the circe told them how to get through those obstacles, I think he made up the plans himself. Despite our diffferences, i agree with you about thethings haappening in the book being mans choices.
WILL F.

Anonymous said...

This outcome is a result of mans doing not luck because Odysseus makes his decisions based off of evidence. This happened when the fortune teller told him not to touch the cattle of the sun god or unfortunate events would happen. His men knew not to do anything with the cow but they still made the decision to kill it and use it for meat. Also this happened when Odysseus had to make the decision to go to the Scylla instead of Charybdis because he knew he would lose less men if he went near six headed Scylla than go near whirlpool disaster Charybdis.
Channing Conner

Anonymous said...

Sydney S
I agree with you about how it was lucky for Odysseus to run into Hermes who told him what to do to get his friends back. I also agree with you about how it was both too. I think you are right about how it was mans doing to stab the eye out of the cyclops not luck.
Channing Conner

Anonymous said...

I think that most things have man's own doing but there is a little bit of luck. Odysseus is smart and clever like when he escapes the cyclops. However, later he is lucky that Hermes and Circe tell him everything that is going to happen. After he saw all of his challenges coming for him, he showed man's own doing by getting the wax to escape the sirens. He also showed it by rowing the boat quickly past Scylla. Later, due to unfortunate events his ship sinks and he yet again gets lucky and drifts to an island.
Tanner S.

Anonymous said...

Will,
I agree with you that Odysseus isn't lucky but is smart when he escapes the sirens and monsters. . Also, I don't think that every single one of the bad things that happened to him were because he angered the gods. For example, when he happens to land on an island inhabited by cyclopses its not because he angered any god he just got unlucky. Thats just one thing though. He does seem to anger the gods on many other occasions. I disagree with you that he has deserved all the bad things because there has been a lot of bad things, and I just feel bad for him by now.
Tanner S.

Anonymous said...

All of what has happened so far is by his own doing. Odysseus never should have fallen asleep when he was so close to home. What did he think was going to happen? His men were going to want to see in that bag as soon as possible. Why he didn't tell them what was in it is a bit rediculous to me. So all of his men could have been saved if he just stayed awake untill he arived completely safe home.

Jake

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with you Will. Their is no such thing as luck. Odysseus made his choices and now he has to live with them. Even when he washed up on shore that was because the cyclopes asked Posidion to have Odysseus return home alone.

Jake

Esther DelliQuadri said...

Patrick,
I diseagree because I think that even though some of the stuff you say is true, like some of the context clues. For example I agree that choosing to do what the circe says some of it is still luck, like when the ships get blown from one place to another.

Esther DelliQuadri said...

I meant "like choosing to do what Circe said is man power but some other things are luck"

erik summers said...

I think the majority of the events in this book are consisted mostly of luck, but some are of man's doing. I think a good example of an instance of man's doing is how Odysseus uses his cleverness to trick the cyclops into thinking that "Nobody" was hurting him. SOme of it was luck though, like him being the only survivor of the shipwreck, and the fact that he met Hermes was pure luck.

Anonymous said...

So far in the book, I think that the events that have happened are luck and man's doing. Odysseus and his men were unlucky when there ship is blown off course. He is lucky when he washes up on Circe's Island and meets Hermes. Some events have been man's own doing because Odysseus is able to trick the cyclopes, by using his mind to come up with a plan. I would say Odysseus has had his good and bad luck, but he also knows how to use his own physical and mental strengths.
Julia Wong

Anonymous said...

I think that the outcome of some of these events are because of sheer luck. One reason is that when odysseusand his creator distroyed by the sudden stormit was lucky. Also when he came across Circe andhad her turn back his crew into humans. It ass also pure wisdom that he came up with the plan to escape the cyclopses cave. I think that a few outcomes arelick and some are all about knowing the right words to say.

Bryan Gilbertson

Surina Techarukpong said...

I think that it is both luck with man's own doing involoved also. I think that the whole reason why they were thrown off course to begin with was because of man's doing. In other cases I don't think that that was the same problem, if they had had the luck of the gods then it would have been an easier journey. After all, most of the problems caused by man's doing happened after the initial bad luck. I think that it could've been preventable but it would have happened anyone.

Surina Techarukpong

Anonymous said...

Erik,
I have to agree with you. The majority of events in the book have been luck, but some have also been man's doing. I think he was very smart in tricking the Cyclopes, too. It was pure luck though when he met Hermes like you said. I guess great minds think alike... haha!
Julia Wong

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with mea some of the situations are of mans own doing like when Odysseus escaped th cyclops cave unlike the storm at the end of the readingwhere he barely escaped the sun lords wrath.

Tess Richey said...

I think that all of this is pretty much luck, not necessarily good luck though. Odysseus probably did not mean to blind the son of Posidon, so all of this is not his fault. Its pretty much Posidon's fault, but you can't really call him a man so... You pretty much have to put it down to luck.

Tess Richey

Surina Techarukpong said...

Tess,
I agree with you about Poseidon not being man but how do you explain the cattle incident? I think that there is a little bit of both involved but neither is hardly preventable.

Surina Techarukpong

Sydney Boyd said...

Throughout his journey, Odysseus has made events with mostly his own doing along with a bit of luck. There is no luck involved when he is able to outsmart the Cyclops. However, there is some luck present when Hermes helps him by giving him a special plant, and without it, he would end up a pig for the rest of his life. It is entirely his doing when he decides not to tell his crew of the wind in the bag, so it is his fault for getting his ship in trouble. It is his choice to tell his crew not to eat the cattle, but he made the wrong choice staying on the island, and paid the price by losing all of his men.

Anonymous said...

Channing,
I agree with the specific things you said about being man's own doing, but there were other things that also involved a bit of luck. For instance, when Hermes comes to help him with Circe Odysseus had nothing to do with it. When the gods help him, it's definately luck because there's nothing specific that he did to make the gods help him. That was out of his control, therefore it was luck.
-Margaret L.

Sydney Boyd said...

Jake,
I agree with you on some parts, but I think he has been lucky or else he would be dead like the rest of his crew. It is silly he didn't tell his group, but I don't think he could of survived without sleeping for that long; he would need some serious caffeine.

Anonymous said...

I think it has to do with what the men did and they brought both good and bad thin upon themselves. For example,it was thier own fault for being blown off course right as they entered the harbor.If the foolish men hadn't opened the bag of wind, they would have been good to go. The men also saved themselves by defeating the Cyclops and escaping his grasp. This only happpened because of thier good plan and bravery, not luck!
Meg A

Anonymous said...

Sydney,
I agree that it was thier skills that saved them from the Cyclops and not luck. I also never thought that being blown off course was Odesseus's fault for not telling his crew about the bag of wind. The one part I disagree is, it was not Odsesues's fault for his crew eating the cattle.
Meg

Anonymous said...

I think that it was both luck and man's doing that got Odysseus where he is now. It was complete and utter luck that they the cyclops didn't feel any of the men under the sheep. But, the idea of blinding the cyclops and then hiding under the sheep was pure man's doing. I guess you could say they coincide with each other; Odysseus uses his knowledge and cleverness to begin the plan, and luck finishes it. It's kind of like how he chose to go around the whirlpool and risk the sea monster, which 'luckily' only grabbed six men before they could escape.
-Connor Frasier

Anonymous said...

Will,
I agree with you that Odysseus deserves everything that hit him (except for the cows, that wasn't his fault),but I don't know that everything he did was his doing. Though he may have upset Poseidon, he wouldn't have made it out alive if without doing so. I think that it actually seems like his men are just stupid. They go into the witch's house, and they get turned into pigs. They eat the cows that Odysseus tells them not to, they all die. I'm pretty sure his men are the real problem.
-Connor Frasier

Lindy Pittman said...

Maura,
I completely agree with you. It was luck when Odysseus was the only one too survive and when Hermes gave him the advice on how to defeat Circe. However, it was man's own doing when he tricks the Cyclops and when Odysseus is charismatic and scary enough to make Circe accept them. So, overall I agree with you completely.

Jack Starkey said...

I think that it is both mans doing and luck that got Odysseus to the point were his men and him are now. Odysseus was very smart about all the things he did in the cyclops cave. It was a brilliant plan of him to blind the cyclops and tell him his name is nobody. It was also very smart to strap his men as well as himself to the sheep. The only part of luck in that cave was when he wasnt chosen to be eaten and how the cyclops didnt feel under the sheep. It was luck that Eurylochuss' slip of bark fell out before Odysseuss' did and that his men were turned into pigs. It is mans doing that Odysseus was couragous enough to go face Circe by himself and with the help of Hermes, he became friends with her.

Jack Starkey

Jack Starkey said...

Connor F,
I completly agree with you. I like what you said about the sea monster "luckily" only grabbing six of the men. Its not really luck because he is losing six of his men but in a way it is lucky because the rest of the boat was spared.

Jack Starkey

Anonymous said...

I think that what has happened is less luck then the gods fault as well as mans. The gods such as Posiden have sent storms and made the journey difficult. Also Hermes comes and helps him and he is a god. Much of the fault is mans also. Such as when they take the sheep and eat them eventhough they were told not, too. Also they open the bag of winds from Aoulus (also a god) so close to home and they are blown back out to sea. So there is much fault to go around. There might be some luck to it by I don't think it's very much.

Cole Gibbs

Anonymous said...

Dear Jack,
I think your right that Odyseus has had some good and bad luck. Men though are the reason he is in the situation. It was his choice that go them trapped in the cave after all. His men chose to eat the sheep. His men chose to open the bag of winds. If it wasn't for this he and his men would already be home. It is luck though that brings them to the different islands though. There is some luck to the cyclops cave also.

Cole Gibbs

Anonymous said...

i think that Odysseus has had some luck on his journey, but also without his skill and own being, they would be in the cyclops's stomach. Or oinking as pigs. he was gotten some lucky things added to his journey. one is that he could have been turned into a pig, but hermes came to him and gave him a magical herb. but if he was not so skilled, he would probably be dead
joe deline

Anonymous said...

mea, i agree with your comment. i think he had both luck and own doing. like in the cyclops cave when he thinks his way out. our when he gets lucky from hermes. his journey has to be lucky or he would be dead. but it also has to be skill, or he would be dead.
JoeDeLine

Tess Richey said...

Surina,

You're right this is totally due to both luck and man's own doing. This origionally all started out as bad luck but man made it worse because of their own actions. So you can most definetly blame this turn of events to both.

Tess Richey

Anonymous said...

I think these things happen because of luck and mans own doing. It is luck when Odysseus meets hermes and survives the terrible storm but, it is mans own doing because he tricked the cyclops and when he tells his men not to touch the cattle but they did anyway. I think thats how he got into this situation.
~Kaylie R.

Anonymous said...

Odysseus is a clever man but he does not control the sea. I think it is alittle bit of both. Tricking the cyclops into thinking his name was nobody so the cyclops's friends would not come to his aid was man's doing. But landing on the island after surviving the storm and finding hermes was pure luck. So this story contains alittle of both

Anonymous said...

By Lyta Foulk

Anonymous said...

Sydney S,

I agree with you as I said in my own post, that it was alittle of both. I also think that there was alot of bad luck caused by the gods or not. Hey do you think that the bag of winds is related to the one in Tiger's Quest?????????

Anonymous said...

I think that it is both. Mostly man's doing. They were warned to not eat Hyperion's cattle and they still did. But the reason that they did is that they would've died if they didn't eat it. They would've died either way. Except they didn't know if the wrath of Hyperion would be fatal or not. It was also luck that Oddyseus and his men ended up on the shore of Hyperion's island. Or it may have just been his fate, according to Circe and the gods. But since they did eat the cattle after they were warned it is man's own doing.
JV

Anonymous said...

Lyta I agree with your comment.
Another thing that demonstrates luck and man's doing is landing on Hyperion's island and killing his cattle.
JV

Anonymous said...

I think that the events so far in the book have been a little bit of both luck, and Man's own doing. I think that there is luck because it is luck that they washed up on Circe's Island. I think this because it is luck that the tides and winds were just right to wash them up on that island instead of anywhere else.Also, I think that is man's own doing because Odyseus tricks the Cyclops and that is totally man's own doing. Also it is man's own doing that Odyseus made up the plan to ride on the belly's of the sheep.
Matthew White

Anonymous said...

Nikki,
Your comment had a lot of ways of demonstrating how he had both luck and man's doing. I never really thought of the enchantress because if he didn't get advice on how to pass the sea perils he would have eaten the hyperion cow without knowing it would prove to be his men's death
JV

Anonymous said...

Mea, I agree with your commemnt completely.You are totally right about both the luck and Man's own doing.Great job.
Matthew White

Charlie H. said...

I think that it is man's doing and the god's doing. I think this because getting blown off course probably wasn't just luck considering that they had just finished a war that had involved gods. So I think that a lot of the bad luck,, mostly weather, was really just the gods. I also think that a lot of it was man's doing, specifically Odysseus. I think this because he was the one that tricked the cyclops and it was him that scared Circes into accepting them. So I think it was the doing of man and god.

Charlie H. said...

Matthew,
I mostly agree with you. I agree that it was a little bit of man's doing, but I also think that it wasn't luck that they washed up on the island. I think that that was the doing of the gods. I think this because Odysseus finished a war that had started with the fighting of the gods. So I only think that it wasn't luck, but the gods.

Anonymous said...

I think that the events taken place have shown luck and mans own doing. A big thing that makes them lucky in a good way is when Odysseus survives the stom that his crew started. For the mans own doing, when Odysseus is trapped in the cyclops cave he comes up with a very good plan to get out.
Jackson Ernst

Anonymous said...

Lindy,
When there ship got blown off course I do not think that is bad luck because it was his crew who opened the bag that caused the storm.
Jackson ernst

Anonymous said...

Patrick,
You are right about saying it is a lot of mans doing, but i think there is also some luck involved. It was good luck that Circe told them to avoid the monsters.
Jackson ernst

Anonymous said...

I think that Odysseus has experienced both luck and his own doing. When he gets to the land of Polyphemus's cave, he smartly calls himself "Nobody" and escapes; this is an example of own doing. When he gets trapped in the storm and is the only survivor, that is an example of luck, or more accurately, bad luck. Another example of mans own doing is when Odysseus's men open the bag of winds and blow them back to the Lord of the Winds's cave. That is why I think that Odysseus has encountered both luck/bad luck, and mans own doing.

Andrew M.

Anonymous said...

Patrick,
I agree with you when you say that most of it is mans own doing but a little has to do with luck. It is very good luck when Circe tells them to avoid the monsters.

Andrew M.

Anonymous said...

I think that it was a little bit of luck and mans doing, but I mostly dont think it is either. It is Posiden blowing them off course and sending them into disastor. There is some luckwhen they got blown towards the island where they got the bag of wind sending them home. It was mans doing when they killed the sun gods sheep. I still stick to the idea that itwas mostly Posiden that made disastor. If they had not ben blown of in the first place they would have just come home with a safe landing.


NOLAN SANKEY

Anonymous said...

Mea

I agree with you that it is both, but it is also Posiden. Posiden sent them off in the first place. They would have made it home safely. But after they were off corse it was luck and mans own doing.


NOLAN SANKEY

Logan Sankey said...

I think that although there is some luck and some of man's doing involved in the story, most of the events that happen in the story are man's fault. For the most part, anything good that has happened was because of luck (right god in the right place at the right time) and most of the horrors that have occured were because of man's blunder. The men were foolish to open the bag of winds when so close to the shores of their homeland and foolish to eat the cattle and foolish to provoke Posidon. Many of the bad events in the story are because of a series of bad decisions on man's part but there is also some luck involved because the islands they land on are each important to their journey,

Logan!

Logan Sankey said...

Margaret,
I agree with the reasons you gave for each of the events that happened in the book whether man's doing or luck. I think that they are extremely lucky that certain people decide to help them and that men also make the decisions they do!

Logan

Anonymous said...

I think both luck and man's intelligence have contributed to Odysseus' survival so far. He has to use his brains a lot, like when he outsmarts the cyclops. However, he has also brought problems upon himself, like when his men opened the bag with the winds in it. Also, some of his survival is based on luck, such as him landing on Circe's island and meeting Hermes. A little luck was involved, but he would not have survived without his own intelligence.

Melissa Requist

Anonymous said...

I think both luck and man's intelligence have contributed to Odysseus' survival so far. He has to use his brains a lot, like when he outsmarts the cyclops. However, he has also brought problems upon himself, like when his men opened the bag with the winds in it. Also, some of his survival is based on luck, such as him landing on Circe's island and meeting Hermes. A little luck was involved, but he would not have survived without his own intelligence.

Melissa Requist

Anonymous said...

Logan -
I completely agree with you. Their journey would have been so much easier if they had not caused problems for themselves. They used their intelligence, but mostly to try and fix the problems they had caused.

Melissa Requist

Grant Andrews said...

So far Odysseus has come very far in his travels which have contained both luck and human’s own doing. Like how Odysseus became friends with Circe, even though Hermes helped them become friends, that was both man and luck. Also when they got away from the Cyclops, that was man’s own doing. It was also luck that that Odysseus was never the one to die in the perils. So Odysseus has so far had both luck and man’s own doing.

Grant A. said...

Dear Margaret L.
I agree with everything that you have said. I especially like how you talked about how in all the perils Odysseus never died. I also liked how you said how Hermes also helped them to become friends with Circe. Another thing I liked is how it was also man’s own doing to become friends with Circe. Over all it was well wrote and I agreed with everything.
-Grant A.

Grant A. said...

Dear Margaret L.
I agree with everything that you have said. I especially like how you talked about how in all the perils Odysseus never died. I also liked how you said how Hermes also helped them to become friends with Circe. Another thing I liked is how it was also man’s own doing to become friends with Circe. Over all it was well wrote and I agreed with everything.
-Grant A.

Jack Craig said...

I think that a lot of the happenings have been due to bad luck/good luck, and a lot has been the doings of men. One good example is when Odysseus land on the island with the lotus eaters. His men chose to eat the lotus fruit, not luck. But a good example of bad luck is when Odysseus is trapped by the cyclops, because his crew did not know about him.

Jack Craig said...

To Margaret,
I agree with you, escpecially when yous say that it has been a lot of luck as much as it was man's own doing that have determined Odyssesus's and his men's fate.

Anonymous said...

I think all the events in the story so far are mainly mans own doing because he is being punished by all the bad sea weather by Poseidon because he took out the cyclops' eye. Also, when he has to face all the bad events, he uses his clever mind. So, both misfortune and good fortune have been because of Odysseus' own doing.
Lark

Anonymous said...

Nikki,
I agree with your reasoning for the most part. When I wrote my first response, I said it was mainly mans own doing. After reading your response, I see how you can think that it is luck that the gods help him but that is also mans own doing that the gods were in his favor. It isn't just luck that they chose to help him, he had to have done somethings.
Lark

Anonymous said...

I think it is both luck and mans own doing, it is luck when he washes up on the island, and it is man's own doing when he ties himself and his men to the sheep because it takes smarts. He is vey smart and very lucky(and some times not lucky).

Anonymous said...

Nick Simon above

Anonymous said...

Sydney,
I agree with your comment and i like your examples. they make a lot of sense. i don't know if it was full luck when hermes came to him, that could have been the gods choice. otherwise i agree with your comment and good job.

Anonymous said...

NICK SIMON above

Anonymous said...

I think it is man's own doing.
They chose to go into the cyclops cave. So when they were captured by the cyclops, it was their fault and so when they stabbed him they angered Posidon by their means. in conclusion, it is man's own doiing
~~~RYLAN~~~

Anonymous said...

Nick,
I agree with you, it is man's own doing and luck. It was luck that they washed up on the shores of cyclops island, but then it was their doing when they angered Posidon, which is why they are so far of course.
~~~RYLAN~~~

Anonymous said...

I believe that most of the events that happened so far have been because of a mans doing and a little bit of luck. Odysseus has followed and obeyed all of things that he has been told to do but his men havn't, which is funny because he is the only one still alive(ha, who would have guessed?). For example when he was told not to eat Hyperion's cattle and told his men not to eat them either, his men ate them and Odysseus did't and what happened....? All of Odysseus's men died and he didnt. That was a mans own doing, but the fact that he has washed up on a island all alone after floating on a piece wood for few days is luck.
Will McConnell

Anonymous said...

Dear Mea,
I completely agree with you. Sure a lot of things have happened because of a mans own doing, but there has also been sum luck involved. When the men opened the bag of winds and were blown in all directions they could blame no one but themselves. The fact that they have washed up on so many islands is pure luck though because they seem to always come to another island, after they leave the previous one, within the next few days.
Will McConnell

Anonymous said...

Odysseus is insanely smart. He got them out of the cyclops cave by saying he was named nobody and when the other cyclopses came to help he said "I am being hurt by nobody, nobody is hurting me!" That was not luck but when he meets Hermes. Part of it was man's doings and part is luck but I think most is man's doings.


scott

Anonymous said...

Mea I agree with you completely exept I think he is a little more unlucky than your giving him credit. He is about half luck and half smart in my opinion.

Scott

Max Gamber said...

Eric- I agree with you. Almost every event in the book so far has happened due to luck. Sometimes it was bad luck that caused something to happen. Other times it was good luck. There were the few parts that were because of a mans doing, such as the part where Odysseus convinces the cyclops that Odysseus's name was Nobody.
MAX

Max Gamber said...

In the book so far, most of the events have happened by luck but some of the more important events have happened because of mans own doing. For example: when the Cyclopes has Odysseus and his men captured, Odysseus must come up with a plan to escape. Most of the luck related events ended up with a man performing an action that ends in another luck related action to occur.
MAX

Anonymous said...

I think it was mostly luck but a little bit of his doing. being the only one who survived and meeting hermes were very lucky.it was his doing convincing the cyclops and killing the sheep when he was warned not to. I think it was lucky but still very smart.
Raleigh D

Anonymous said...

i agree with sydney it was deffinetly both but i think it was more luck because he was the only one to survive and he met hermes on the island.

Anonymous said...

last comment was mine
Raleigh D

Peter Rosenthal said...

I think it is just luck. I don't think it is Odysseus' fault that he ended up on the island with all the cyclopes. If it was mans own doing that got him there, then his crew would hate him. Besides, who would want to get yourself stuck on a island for no reason. But it was man's own doing that got him, and his men out of there. the whole plan was ingenious.

Peter Rosenthal said...

Nikki,
I agree with you, but I think his men that were in there with him did help him with the plan a bit.

Anonymous said...

I think it is a combo. it was luchey that Odysseus suvived the storm but it was all him tricking the cyclops into saying "nobody" was hurting him.
Kelly ryan

Anonymous said...

Dear Nikki,
I agree with you because alot of the stuff that happened was all chance/luch. But he also had to do lots of stuf himself.
Kelly Ryan

Anonymous said...

I think that it has been both luck and man's own doing. Things such as Odysseus surviving and finding Hermes, who tells him how to get his men back, have been luck altogether. Other times, like when Odysseus finds a way to handicap the Cyclops and escape his cave have been man's own doing. Overall, Odysseus has had good luck and smart doings.

Tyler H.

Anonymous said...

Max,

I agree. What has happened so far has been luck and his own doing, though mainly luck.

Tyler H.